|Edison Su||Oct 17, 2012 11:25 am|
|Kelcey Damage (BBITS)||Oct 17, 2012 11:27 am|
|Frank Zhang||Oct 17, 2012 11:35 am|
|Kelcey Damage (BBITS)||Oct 17, 2012 11:37 am|
|Edison Su||Oct 17, 2012 11:37 am|
|Kelcey Damage (BBITS)||Oct 17, 2012 11:39 am|
|David Nalley||Oct 17, 2012 11:40 am|
|Frank Zhang||Oct 17, 2012 11:47 am|
|David Nalley||Oct 17, 2012 11:51 am|
|Sudha Ponnaganti||Oct 17, 2012 11:53 am|
|Sudha Ponnaganti||Oct 17, 2012 12:20 pm|
|Will Chan||Oct 17, 2012 1:55 pm|
|Kristoffer Sheather - Cloud Central||Oct 17, 2012 2:40 pm|
|Outback Dingo||Oct 17, 2012 2:42 pm|
|Caleb Call||Oct 17, 2012 3:01 pm|
|Kelcey Damage (BBITS)||Oct 17, 2012 3:06 pm|
|Chiradeep Vittal||Oct 17, 2012 4:50 pm|
|David Nalley||Oct 17, 2012 4:54 pm|
|Edison Su||Oct 17, 2012 4:55 pm|
|Chiradeep Vittal||Oct 17, 2012 4:58 pm|
|Frank Zhang||Oct 17, 2012 6:59 pm|
|Joe Brockmeier||Oct 17, 2012 7:30 pm|
|Chip Childers||Oct 18, 2012 7:11 am|
|Will Chan||Oct 18, 2012 10:01 am|
|John Kinsella||Oct 18, 2012 10:04 am|
|Jessica Tomechak||Oct 18, 2012 10:05 am|
|Will Chan||Oct 18, 2012 10:29 am|
|Kevin Kluge||Oct 18, 2012 11:10 am|
|Joe Brockmeier||Oct 18, 2012 12:36 pm|
|David Nalley||Oct 18, 2012 12:47 pm|
|Marcus Sorensen||Oct 18, 2012 12:53 pm|
|Edison Su||Oct 18, 2012 1:53 pm|
|Joe Brockmeier||Oct 18, 2012 2:15 pm|
|Edison Su||Oct 18, 2012 2:59 pm|
|Chip Childers||Oct 18, 2012 3:04 pm|
|Joe Brockmeier||Oct 18, 2012 4:06 pm|
|Caleb Call||Oct 18, 2012 4:55 pm|
|Sudha Ponnaganti||Oct 18, 2012 5:43 pm|
|Subject:||RE: Drop OVM in 4.0?|
|From:||Edison Su (Edis...@citrix.com)|
|Date:||Oct 18, 2012 1:53:40 pm|
Yesterday, I read a blog talking about open source
in the " Project direction and priorities " section, which makes sense to me:
"An open project and its community are the sum of individual people doing what
they care about. It's flat-out wrong to think that any healthy open project is a
pool of developers who can be assigned priorities that "make sense" globally.
There's no product manager. The community priorities are simply the union of all
Take OVM as an example, apparently, it's not in the Citrix's CloudPlatform
team's highest priority. If other people want this feature, the idea situation
is to pick it up by yourself. I think Marcus set a great example about how to
work with community under this situation. We, the community, are open to bug
fix, feature enhancement etc. I like to hear the voice from OVM user or developer. How many users are caring
about OVM? Is there any other developer, other than people coming from Citrix,
can or want fix OVM issues? Is it acceptable to move OVM to 4.0.x release?
Is there anyone actually using OVM that is involved here on the dev list? The reason I ask is because I initially got involved with cloudstack development because CLVM was being dropped, and I needed it. If there are resources among Citrix or elsewhere to work on OVM that's great, then perhaps we can commit to having it ready for the first point release, and current OVM customers can wait. But to some extent it seems like development of features should be driven or helped along by a portion of those who use them. Even if it's just an admin watching the dev list and saying "hey, we use and need this". If there isn't a lot of that, then support for those features are at the mercy of whomever cares to take it up.
I'm not really familiar with the new/old OVM versions, however if I were an OVM user I wouldn't be horribly upset if I simply had to wait for a point release. Now dropping it altogether is a different story. I would think at the very least the old version of OVM should be supported, with a notice in the 4.0 notes that it's legacy and will not be updated in future releases. The cloudstack sort of owes them that much for taking on support in the first place, IMO. Supporting the new version is a renewal of future commitment, whereas legacy supprt is just a gesture to those with existing deployments.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:10:35AM -0700, Kevin Kluge wrote:
There's nothing in CloudStack to track that so we cannot be definitive. But, it can't be many. We have seen few questions about its usage and integration. And OVM's share of the server virtualization market is quite low. Given limited user impact, if this is really the only problem I'd defer the fix.
The thing is, even if it's a small percentage of users that have deployed CloudStack + OVM, we'd be disappointing the shops that have deployed CloudStack + OVM 100%.
If we were discussing why we should phase out support for OVM, it'd be one thing - but what seems to be on the table right now is letting 4.0.0-incubating out the door with no guarantee that we'll address OVM support in a timely fashion after, if at all.
If the project is going to phase something out, we need to say so clearly and loudly ahead of time so interested parties have the opportunity to get involved and take over the feature. If nobody does, that's fine - but right now I'm concerned we're going to be letting down the users who have adopted CloudStack with OVM who had a reasonable expectation that the 4.0.0-incubating release would include OVM support.
-- Joe Brockmeier Twitter: @jzb http://dissociatedpress.net/