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Nils Valentin11 Nov 2003 05:28 
Subject:Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
From:Nils Valentin (vale@be-known-online.com)
Date:11/10/2003 06:02:11 AM
List:com.mysql.lists.mysql

Hi List members,

 I just forward this for completeness of the thread .

Best regards

Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql

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Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Tuesday 11 November 2003 23:47 From: Nils Valentin <vale@be-known-online.com> To: "Martijn Tonies" <m.to@upscene.com>

Hi Martjin,

On Monday 10 November 2003 19:50, Martijn Tonies wrote:

Hi Nils,

How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ?

The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example.

That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits.

Why does it say on the page

1) Receiving upgrades is not time limited.

and 2) The license itself isn't time limited - but there is a 20% yearly renewal

fee

for maintenance and support (updates etc) on the driver after the first

year.

The (2) part comes from a different product: "InterXpress for Firebird" and is not related to Database Workbench. There's a different header on the webpage above that part.

I found this

a) confusing and b) I would prefer a one time fee.

If you read it like that, it actually is confusing :-) ... Is your web-page view perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both.

Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product.

I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious.

The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to

offer

the drivers for a reasonable price ?

You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with Database Workbench.

I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar

and

better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product.

I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after release

:-)

Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want more database engines supported, the license price will increase.

The most critical point to me is that the combination of closed source/ features/price seesm to be a bit unlucky.

First it doesnt seem to be an open source product (and please correct me if I am wrong).

Secodnly, I dont like the idea, that I have to buy for what is supposed to be an addon. That should be included. And the modul type should easily allow cheaper prices for the whole package.

Have a look at other products and let me know what you think;

www.business.com/search/rslt_default.asp?r4=t&query=database +development+tool

(over 100 tools introduced

www.10xsoftware.com/products/ www.fabforce.net www.minq.se www.dbtools.com.br/EN/dbmanagerpro.php www.ems-hitech.com www.quest.com/solutions/database_management_products.asp  

(10 tools introduced)

www.linuxadvisor.net/doc/12029 www.macosguru.de/ www.easysoft.com/solutions/osx.phtml www.hallogram.com/dezign/

There are 100^s more. Not all of them are open source. It depends strongly on which platform you are running the software.

If you have the luck to find customers which are willing to pay this, than

you

are probably the most terrific sales person around for a while. All power to you.

The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered in order applications. The "per database engine" modules allow you to make a difference between a "one size fits all" product, but still have the ability to use tools like the Test Data Generator

The Test data generator is nowadays integrated in quite a few tools.

or Schema Migration tool without the need to buy licenses for hundreds or thousands of Euros.

That might be correct, but I still believe that you must be a terrific sales person. Open source products can be installed on unlimited machines without buying any licenses ;-) (if you want to do so).

Dont get me wrong if it is a good product it might well be worth paying for it, but right now I cant see that yet when I compare this to the 100^s of open source products out there.

With regards,

Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird & MS SQL Server. Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com

kind regards

-- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan

http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/

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-- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan

http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/