| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Kay Sievers | Nov 16, 2010 7:46 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 7:56 am | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 16, 2010 8:12 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 9:14 am | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 16, 2010 10:51 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 11:55 am | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 16, 2010 12:15 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 12:48 pm | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 16, 2010 1:28 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 16, 2010 1:35 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 16, 2010 1:42 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 2:51 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 2:55 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 16, 2010 2:58 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 3:04 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 16, 2010 3:10 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 16, 2010 3:18 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 16, 2010 3:45 pm | |
| Etched Pixels | Nov 16, 2010 3:49 pm | |
| John Stoffel | Nov 17, 2010 8:31 am | |
| Vald...@vt.edu | Nov 17, 2010 2:00 pm | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 17, 2010 3:39 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 17, 2010 3:56 pm | |
| Greg KH | Nov 17, 2010 5:27 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 17, 2010 5:48 pm | |
| Greg KH | Nov 17, 2010 5:52 pm | |
| Lennart Poettering | Nov 17, 2010 6:28 pm | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 18, 2010 2:14 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 18, 2010 2:59 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 18, 2010 3:23 am | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 18, 2010 3:54 am | |
| Kay Sievers | Nov 18, 2010 4:03 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 18, 2010 4:12 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 18, 2010 4:57 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 18, 2010 5:00 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 18, 2010 5:13 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 18, 2010 6:41 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 19, 2010 5:21 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 19, 2010 7:46 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 19, 2010 9:06 am | .tiocgdev |
| Greg KH | Nov 19, 2010 10:02 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Nov 19, 2010 10:41 am | |
| Alan Cox | Nov 20, 2010 4:39 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Dec 1, 2010 3:15 am | |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Dec 1, 2010 4:31 am | .tiocgdev |
| Dr. Werner Fink | Dec 3, 2010 3:47 am | .Other |
| Subject: | Re: tty: add 'active' sysfs attribute to tty0 and console device | |
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| From: | Alan Cox (al...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) | |
| Date: | Nov 16, 2010 2:55:56 pm | |
| List: | org.kernel.vger.linux-kernel | |
So we fix the ioctl interface, it's not exactly hard to do now is it.
Sorry, the WAITEVENT stuff interface you created is unusably broken:
a) it's a sleeping ioctl which makes it unusable in anything but the most trivial applications, because most programs need to respond to more than once wakeup event. Of course, you can then introduce threads but that's horrible.
b) It loses events, because events that happen after you woke up and before you go back into WAITEVENT are completely lost. And those events might actually be relevant, since they might be the most recent events that happened. And those tend to be ones that matter.
So those are both trivial enough to fix as far as I can see but by the sound of it neither actually solve what you want to do.
Kay's interface also drops events, but only historic events that happened but aren't current anymore. And that's a good thing, because when you track which VT is in the foreground for presentation, or for permission management purposes then you care little of who else should have had access in the past but didn't get it. You are only interested in the most recent update, which is what Kay's interface gives you.
No Kay's interface gives you some random reasonably recent answer that could well be wrong.
Kay's interface is not intended to be useful for logging purposes. It is useful to track VT changes for service activation, for permission management.
You wish to do permission management based upon stale unlocked data, yeah that sounds about the standard of some of the current shipping desktops.
Well, the suff it provides is purely informational. You cannot actually influence the TTY in anyway, you can just watch which VT is currently active.
Try that with "keystrokes" for example. its a bogus argument.
I am sorry, but WAITEVENT doesn't work for *any* case. It is completely broken. Have you actually ever tried to use it yourself? Do it. Write me a race-free program with it that tracks VT switches and i'd be amazed!
You have to hold the vt switch locks, but that is unavoidable.
events. And voila, you'll have created Kay's interface.
Which also doesn't work reliably and you want to use it for permissions management !
Describe this permission management you are doing please.
Alan
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