atom feed52 messages in uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcryptoRE: Demon & DeCSS
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Subject:RE: Demon & DeCSS
From:Owen Blacker (owen@pres.co.uk)
Date:Sep 22, 2000 2:09:59 am
List:uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcrypto

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I know Demon got a raw deal in the Godfrey case, but there is no reason for them to start hassling their customers at the behest of the MPAA. It maybe a botty covering exercise, but demon really should have taken some advice before knee jerking.

But then, Demon are well-known for having a silly legal department, as seen in the Godfrey case. Has David Swarbrick's posting access been reconnected yet ?

To be fair to Demon, their legal department's responsibility must surely be to prevent Thus plc from being sued, in any jurisdiction. They may have made (and possibly still make, as a non-subscriber to Demon, I don't know) some poor judgments in the past, but that doesn't mean that they're all out to stomp all over free expression /per se/... :o)

I wouldn't say their Legal Dept is necessarily "silly", just trying to act in the company's best interest, which is surely their contractual duty as employees of Thus plc. I may not like the fact that they threaten to pull a site after receiving somewhat dubious claims from the MPAA, but surely it's the MPAA's bad here. Demon's actions are understandable, even if perhaps not what we would like them to be. Any company's Legal dept exists in the main to cover the company's arse! :o)

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