| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm | |
| Baptiste Daroussin | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 18, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Maxim Ignatenko | Aug 18, 2011 11:09 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 2:23 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Hans Petter Selasky | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 3:17 pm | |
| Julian Elischer | Aug 18, 2011 7:53 pm | |
| Michael V. Buzuverov | Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 18, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 19, 2011 12:37 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:23 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:36 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:41 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:55 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:37 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:50 am | |
| Bob Bishop | Aug 19, 2011 2:51 am | |
| Pieter de Goeje | Aug 19, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Kris Moore | Aug 19, 2011 5:20 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 6:52 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 8:26 am | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 11:49 am | |
| Nathan Whitehorn | Aug 19, 2011 1:17 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| Kostik Belousov | Aug 19, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| Rick Macklem | Aug 19, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 3:57 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 11:14 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 20, 2011 4:37 am | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Aug 20, 2011 7:10 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 20, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 2:36 pm | |
| Peter Jeremy | Aug 21, 2011 4:04 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 10:04 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 11:33 am | |
| selven | Aug 22, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 22, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| Garrett Cooper | Aug 22, 2011 11:54 pm | |
| Diane Bruce | Aug 23, 2011 7:01 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:15 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:20 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:29 pm | |
| Milo Hyson | Aug 24, 2011 7:42 pm | |
| gnuy...@gmail.com | Aug 24, 2011 8:33 pm | |
| Alex Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 8:47 pm | |
| Milo Hyson | Aug 24, 2011 10:04 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 24, 2011 10:24 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:20 am | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:33 am | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Garrett Cooper | Aug 25, 2011 11:15 am | |
| Xin LI | Aug 25, 2011 11:20 am | |
| Diane Bruce | Aug 25, 2011 1:12 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 1:52 pm | |
| md...@FreeBSD.org | Aug 25, 2011 1:58 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| Brandon Gooch | Aug 25, 2011 5:12 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 26, 2011 1:58 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 26, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 26, 2011 2:16 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 26, 2011 2:37 am | |
| 110 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Kris Moore (kr...@pcbsd.org) | |
| Date: | Aug 19, 2011 5:20:51 am | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
Lars Engels <lm...@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:54:17 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 8/18/11 2:59 PM, Vadim Goncharov wrote:
Hi Lev Serebryakov!
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:50:11 +0400; Lev Serebryakov wrote about 'Re:
FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve':
8) There is no -STABLE supported branches in ports.
I want to be more precise here: not -STABLE, but all -RELEASE branches, where "upstream" version of ports/packages never changes, and only security bugfixes are backported.
To be even more precise, they need a guarantee that automatic updates will not break anything so that it could be put to cron like "apt-cron". This goal could be satisfied by another means, I hope: FreeBSD developers unlikely to have enough time/efforts to keep it for *all* -RELEASE branches, but for only chosen ones (e.g. extended security support) - may be.
while all the talk about new ports frameworks etc is nice, it is still annoying that the ports and FreeBSD crews don't take the *new* PBI infrastructure that is being pused out with PCBSD-9 as an important move. The new PBI infrastructure should be taken into the ports system as an important factor. For those who do not know it, it give a facility somewhat like the what that APPLE applications work. At the potential (not always) for having redundant libraries, every PBI package comes with EVERYTHING IT NEEDS. there are no 'dependnet packages' as such. On install a survey is made so that if anything is found to be truly duplicated (different versions of the same library are NOT considered a duplicate) then they share, but if not then each package installs and ONLY USES the stuff that came with it.
The ramifications of this (in this era of large disks) are immense. If you unstall all your main applications using PBI, then if you screw up your ports installed libraries and development environment when you install some new version of the XXX runtime, *your applications keep working*.
A case of "it just works". For the life of me I don't understand WHY
there is this resistance to taking it into the fold. Especially when all the work has already been done. It won't replace pkgng and it it won't replace ports because it actually uses ports to generate the PBI packages. But it should be teh default delivery mechanism for binary basic packages.
As I said.. go run an apple for a while and see what it is supposed to be like.
PBIs are a nice thing but....
The thing that sucked about PBIs at least in PCBSD 8.x is that the PBIs
are too big to download. We may all have big disks but there are many people around who don't have fast internet access. E.g. the Firefox PBI is about 100 MB of size and there's a new version of it every few days. Add Thunderbird, VLC and OpenOffice to that list and your're downloading some GBs per month just to get your security holes closed. What is the situation like in PCBSD 9.x? I heard that it was planned to
offer update deltas which should be much smaller. If that's so, I'm all for PBIs.
FYI, in 9 updates are done via deltas, or more specifically bsdiff, which often
makes the download file a fraction of the size. The update to a 100mb firefox
pbi may only be 5-6 mb, just depends on the size of the changes.
-- Kris Moore
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