128 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-currentRe: 3.0 -release ?| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Terry Lambert | Dec 4, 1997 5:21 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Dec 4, 1997 6:04 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Dec 4, 1997 7:22 pm | |
| Amancio Hasty | Dec 4, 1997 7:28 pm | |
| Mark Mayo | Dec 4, 1997 8:46 pm | |
| Mark Mayo | Dec 4, 1997 8:59 pm | |
| Steve Passe | Dec 4, 1997 9:01 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Dec 4, 1997 9:24 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Dec 4, 1997 9:52 pm | |
| Shawn Ramsey | Dec 4, 1997 10:33 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Dec 4, 1997 10:35 pm | |
| Amancio Hasty | Dec 4, 1997 10:49 pm | |
| Bruce Evans | Dec 4, 1997 11:46 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Dec 5, 1997 1:32 am | |
| Søren Schmidt | Dec 5, 1997 1:39 am | |
| Ari Suutari | Dec 5, 1997 2:37 am | |
| Satoshi Asami | Dec 5, 1997 3:37 am | |
| Philippe Regnauld | Dec 5, 1997 4:21 am | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 5, 1997 12:03 pm | |
| Gary Kline | Dec 5, 1997 12:05 pm | |
| Jim Bryant | Dec 5, 1997 1:19 pm | |
| Julian Elischer | Dec 5, 1997 2:03 pm | |
| Philippe Regnauld | Dec 5, 1997 2:37 pm | |
| Mike Smith | Dec 5, 1997 6:39 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Dec 5, 1997 7:03 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Dec 5, 1997 8:36 pm | |
| Shawn Ramsey | Dec 5, 1997 9:22 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Dec 5, 1997 10:38 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Dec 5, 1997 10:41 pm | |
| John S. Dyson | Dec 5, 1997 11:04 pm | |
| Gary Kline | Dec 5, 1997 11:52 pm | |
| Gary Kline | Dec 6, 1997 12:09 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Dec 6, 1997 1:54 am | |
| Satoshi Asami | Dec 6, 1997 3:34 am | |
| Brian Somers | Dec 6, 1997 6:34 am | |
| Gianmarco Giovannelli | Dec 6, 1997 8:31 am | |
| Amancio Hasty | Dec 6, 1997 11:28 am | |
| Louis A. Mamakos | Dec 6, 1997 12:04 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 6, 1997 2:01 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 6, 1997 2:10 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 6, 1997 2:12 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 6, 1997 2:15 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 6, 1997 2:22 pm | |
| Gary Kline | Dec 6, 1997 2:55 pm | |
| Tim Vanderhoek | Dec 6, 1997 3:40 pm | |
| John S. Dyson | Dec 6, 1997 3:56 pm | |
| John S. Dyson | Dec 6, 1997 4:03 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Dec 6, 1997 4:24 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Dec 7, 1997 12:59 am | |
| Narvi | Dec 7, 1997 2:20 am | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 7, 1997 12:15 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 7, 1997 12:49 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 7, 1997 12:52 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Dec 7, 1997 1:17 pm | |
| Brian Behlendorf | Dec 7, 1997 1:56 pm | |
| Gary Kline | Dec 7, 1997 5:51 pm | |
| Ari Suutari | Dec 7, 1997 11:21 pm | |
| Brian Somers | Dec 9, 1997 6:17 pm | |
| Subject: | Re: 3.0 -release ? | |
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| From: | Narvi (nar...@Haldjas.folklore.ee) | |
| Date: | Dec 7, 1997 2:20:06 am | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-current | |
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Greg Lehey wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 1997 at 08:04:13PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote:
The second thing I think we need to consider is that in the longer term, I can easily see a day where the ports and packages collection have grown to the point where decoupling them from the primary FreeBSD releases becomes essential in order that the "base system" remain reasonably priced. This would also allow the ports collection to move at its own release schedule, perhaps doing only 2 - 3 releases a year and published in a format closer to Rich Morin's well known Prime Time Freeware for UNIX CDs (http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/UNIX). They come with a nifty printed book containing alphabetized short descriptions so you can look something up quickly before wasting your time mounting the wrong CD, and I think the ports & packages collection should do exactly the same thing.
I like this. I think that there should be coordination with the OpenBSD and NetBSD folks to make sure they are usable "out of the box" for them as well. It could become simply "The BSD ports collection".
Great idea! Yes, I've read the multitude of messages that have come in so far. But you've missed one point: why don't we merge FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD? Maybe BSD/OS as well? After all, most people don't understand why there are so many BSDs anyway.
What, you say, they don't want to cooperate? Oh. So why should they want to cooperate on the question of the Ports Collection?
Well, I see several reasons for it (and also differences in the issues) :
a) Different platforms - if we know port X works on the other BSDs on platforms A, B & C, we can be fairly sure that when the FreeBSD port happens to that platform, we have a ports collection that works there for sure.
b) Having a larger amount of people who use the ports (and so also test them) is only beneficial as the probability of getting rid of bugs increases. It also increases the amount of potencial people donating their time towards both porting and maintaining ports.
c) We don't need a grand cooperation like in the case of merging two operating systems. Everyone can keep their utilities (tar, md5, whatever) in the place they like. Everyone can keep their defaults as they like. The ports collection is not about the base OS-s but the things running atop of them.
Sure, the Ports Collection would be easier. It's less coupled with the kernel. But does anybody out there really see all four (three?) teams getting together and coordinating the mess?
No. But see above.
Greg
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