On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Ferenc Kovacs <in...@tyrael.hu> wrote:

Hi,

After having some experience participating in other open-source communities, specially Joomla (but also Mootools, Doctrine and Symfony), my first impression when subscribing and reading this list was: "wow, its hostile", and I automatically refrained from wanting to participate and chose just to observe for the meantime.

I know every community is different, but, even if a single person states something that might look like a problem it is an indicator that you might have it.

I think the PHP community could benefit from a process like Python's PEP Workflow: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0001/#pep-work-flow.

Personal attacks achieve nothing, and contributing to open-source is MORE than contributing code, and even if you do contribute, it doesn't look like it is even an automatic way to get the needed attention. I've seen Guilherme post several times asking for feedback (i.e. building upon his work, not just criticizing him) and I have never seen it. I don't think Guilherme loves spending his afternoons advancing in a patch without the slightest sense of community direction.

Being brutally honest, looks to me that this generalized attitude/culture might actually be scaring willing devs away, and the community itself needs some kind of direction. Here is a recommended watch:

O'Reilly MySQL CE 2010: Jono Bacon, "The Engines Of Community": http://blip.tv/file/3495291

Best regards,

David