What is the definition of an advanced user? I see lots of complaints from people who are advanced users and also contributors. If they aren't contributors, I doubt that they'd take the time to complain where we'd see it.

One thing that I think the initial portion of the brainstorm touches on but the checklist of intended audience does not is how get-fedora can be a vehicle for moving people up the pyramid.

Right now it's static in that it aims to give new users the bits and that's it. One complaint I've heard ("How can we get more people to contribute to the KDE/LXDE spins if they think Fedora treats them as a second class citizen to the Desktop spin?") has a legitimate basis in this concept.

We need to strive to make people who come to get-fedora to download a release feel that they are becoming part of the Fedora Community. And by doing so they have the option to participate in the development of the next Fedora -- through code, packaging, art, documentation, marketing, teaching, or any of the other areas that we can receive help.

Using this as the foundation of what we're trying to achieve, the idea of a default spin makes a different kind of sense. It isn't the spin for newbies. It's the spin that we think we can entice the most people to contribute to one of the aspects of Fedora where we need help. It needs to solve the needs of contributors to documentation, art, websites, etc as well as solving the needs of the person themselves.

Similarly, the other spins aren't for the advanced users, they're the spins optimized to bring people into different parts of our community. Something like http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora but with the focus of getting media first, and contributing to Fedora second.