26 messages in org.oasis-open.lists.ebsoaRe: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architec...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 6:15 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 6:58 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 7:06 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 7:14 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 7:21 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 7:25 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 7:33 am | |
| Yunker, John | Apr 6, 2004 8:01 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 8:02 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 8:03 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 8:10 am | |
| Steve Ross-Talbot | Apr 6, 2004 8:10 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 6, 2004 8:23 am | |
| Duane Nickull | Apr 6, 2004 8:26 am | |
| Duane Nickull | Apr 6, 2004 8:29 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Apr 6, 2004 8:45 am | |
| Mark Yader | Apr 6, 2004 6:39 pm | |
| Dale Moberg | Apr 6, 2004 6:58 pm | |
| Duane Nickull | Apr 7, 2004 8:56 am | |
| Duane Nickull | Apr 7, 2004 9:02 am | |
| David RR Webber | Apr 7, 2004 11:41 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Jun 7, 2004 10:41 am | |
| David RR Webber | Jun 7, 2004 10:45 am | |
| Chiusano Joseph | Jun 7, 2004 10:55 am | |
| Steve Ross-Talbot | Jun 7, 2004 10:59 am | |
| David RR Webber | Jun 7, 2004 11:29 am |
| Subject: | Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA) | |
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| From: | David RR Webber (dav...@drrw.info) | |
| Date: | Apr 6, 2004 7:25:39 am | |
| List: | org.oasis-open.lists.ebsoa | |
Joe,
The direct answer is - of course BPM is part of the stack - are you proposing we REMOVE it from where its been all along?!?
Is someone building cars without steering wheels yet?!? Is anyone buying them?
See ebXML architecture for starters - and then both JJ and my articles on SOA at ebXMLforum.com - with appropriate diagrams - not to mention slide #26 from presentation here:
http://drrw.net/presentations/ebXML%20Today%20-%20March%2004.zip
Cheers, DW.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiu...@bah.com> To: "David RR Webber" <dav...@drrw.info> Cc: "ebSOA" <ebs...@lists.oasis-open.org>; "Monica J. Martin" <moni...@sun.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)
Hmmm...I think I missed a direct answer to my question in all of this. ;)
Joe
David RR Webber wrote:
Joe,
I just telegraphed the British Embassy and Prince Charles is going to have a word with his mother for us.
Nice to have this hot line. Clearly will greatly help us fend off imposters and claimants trying to usurp our position as the authorities on ebSOA.
You may also want to check out JJs article at http://www.ebXMLforum.com where he diagrams same.
Cheers, DW.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiu...@bah.com> To: "David RR Webber" <dav...@drrw.info> Cc: "ebSOA" <ebs...@lists.oasis-open.org>; "Monica J. Martin" <moni...@sun.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)
David RR Webber wrote:
Joe,
I humbly submit this is a redherring.
Service Oriented IMHO already implies Process by extension - since behind the delivery of any service there must be a process controlling and facilitating it. Tha'ts why BPSS and BPEL are part of the SOA stack.
Thanks David - but according to whom are they part of the SOA stack?
Joe
We need another acronym like a hole in the head - let's leave that stuff to the professionals at Gartner to dream up, eh? ; -)
Cheers, DW.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiu...@bah.com> To: "ebSOA" <ebs...@lists.oasis-open.org> Cc: "Monica J. Martin" <moni...@sun.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: [ebsoa] Process-Oriented Architectures (POA)
I know that our concentration is to be service-oriented architectures, but at the same time I'm thinking about what will lie beyond (so
that
we
can best prepare). A term popped into my head on the way home yesterday (the DC Beltway apparatentely inspires me): Process-Oriented Architecture, or "POA".
Has anyone heard this term used before? I Google'd it and found few hits, all of which seemed to be individual (rather than corporate) references.
As you can tell from the term, just as SOAs enable (involve, pick your favorite word here) the use of shared services, POAs will extend
SOAs
to
enable the use of shared Web Services-based processes that are
based
on
shared Web Services that are defined within SOAs, working in concert with each other. So for a US federal application (my primary client), this could mean a set of shared Web Services-based business processes for federal agencies, in a flexible, agile, process environment.
Does this concept resound with anyone?
-- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
-- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
-- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton