9 messages in net.launchpad.lists.openstackRe: [Openstack] User Friendly Develop...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Lloyd Dewolf | Jul 26, 2012 2:33 pm | |
| Thierry Carrez | Jul 27, 2012 1:49 am | |
| Lloyd Dewolf | Jul 27, 2012 9:59 am | |
| Mark Collier | Jul 27, 2012 10:17 am | |
| Vishvananda Ishaya | Jul 27, 2012 10:38 am | |
| Tim Bell | Jul 27, 2012 10:56 am | |
| Ryan Lane | Jul 27, 2012 11:17 am | |
| Stefano Maffulli | Jul 27, 2012 12:43 pm | |
| Atul Jha | Jul 27, 2012 2:19 pm |
| Subject: | Re: [Openstack] User Friendly Development -was- Fwd: [nova] [cinder] Nova-volume vs. Cinder in Folsom | |
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| From: | Atul Jha (Atul...@csscorp.com) | |
| Date: | Jul 27, 2012 2:19:17 pm | |
| List: | net.launchpad.lists.openstack | |
Hi,
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:48 PM
To: Lloyd Dewolf
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Subject: Re: [Openstack] User Friendly Development -was- Fwd: [nova] [cinder]
Nova-volume vs. Cinder in Folsom
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I think these are some very thoughtful ideas on how to ensure users are
influencing the roadmap (among other goals).
+1
I do wonder if it would make sense to gather user feedback and goals before the
summit, like the day (or week) before, to help provide some priorities (from
their perspective) to consider going into the summit.
+1
Maybe it's an online meeting/webinar (meeting burner is a nice hybrid) led by
the user committee and a meetup Sunday night before the summit kicks off to
review. Then we throw the top 5 priorities up on the screens in every summit
session as a reminder.
+1
These are just a few ideas, I'm sure as the user committee forms they will take
the ones that make sense.
+1
@lloyd
Count me in with the help you need on the same.
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:43 PM, "Lloyd Dewolf" <lloy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oops, I meant to fork the thread.
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Thierry Carrez <thie...@openstack.org> wrote:
Using the "user committee" setup, you don't really need to take authority away from the PTL. You increase the influence of the "users" on technical decisions. You just provide a clear and official mechanism to represent the interests of "the users" as a whole. Once you have that, if the PTL or technical committee decides to ignore it, it's a rather strong decision that better has to be well justified. Its better than having some arbitrary percentage of "users" in a single committee and then have most decisions won by the most largely represented party.
If the user committee is an active and respected group, it provides nice checks and balances against developers living in developer bubbles. Most issues we have right now with deployer-friendliness are linked to the fact that "the users" don't have a clear or official voice.
The trick is, of course, to manage to set up such a committee in a way that represents all the users and deployers. It will be all the more influential if it is seen as representing all the users, rather than just a loosely-tied pre-determined subset of large users.
I generally agree with your thoughts around a "user committee".
For my benefit, I'd love to get a feel for what we're doing to make development user friendly?
In my fantasies for the Grizzly release it would start something like:
A. Grizzly Summit
B. From the summit the Tech Committee & PTL have community consensus on the overarching goal for the release and the projects' goals. Articulated online in user friendly manner.
C. Webinar / OpenStack User Groups get a presentation on the release goals, and channels for input and participation.
D. About the half way point in release schedule, development adjusts the online communication to reflect reality, presents an update, and again channels for input and participation.
How do things work today? I haven't found much in the wiki.
Thanks,
-- @lloyddewolf http://www.pistoncloud.com/
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Atul Jha (koolhead17)
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