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87 messages in net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp[c-nsp] Growing BGP tables| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Vincent De Keyzer | Nov 19, 2004 6:46 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 19, 2004 9:01 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 21, 2004 5:15 pm | |
| Ryan O'Connell | Nov 21, 2004 5:43 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 21, 2004 9:16 pm | |
| Jon Lewis | Nov 21, 2004 9:49 pm | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 2:55 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 4:11 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 22, 2004 4:52 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 5:47 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 6:45 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 7:36 am | |
| Rainer Borromeo | Nov 22, 2004 8:39 am | |
| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 10:19 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 11:07 am | |
| Łukasz Bromirski | Nov 22, 2004 11:15 am | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 12:04 pm | |
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| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 2:03 pm | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 22, 2004 2:15 pm | |
| Gunther Stammwitz | Nov 22, 2004 2:19 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 2:44 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 4:48 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:53 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:59 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:17 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:21 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:31 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:34 pm | |
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| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 8:17 pm | |
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| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 2:44 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 5:24 am | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 5:29 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:38 am | |
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| Martin Robinson | Nov 23, 2004 5:50 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 5:51 am | |
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| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 3:01 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 4:42 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 7:33 pm | |
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| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 8:30 pm | |
| Mihai CHELARU | Nov 24, 2004 5:07 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 24, 2004 7:27 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 24, 2004 8:27 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 24, 2004 6:28 pm | |
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| Gert Doering | Nov 26, 2004 11:20 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 27, 2004 6:53 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 6:40 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 30, 2004 7:26 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 10:30 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 12:30 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 12:57 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 8:59 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Dec 1, 2004 9:18 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 11:18 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 8:40 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 8:51 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:41 am | |
| Gert Doering | Jan 27, 2005 11:45 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:48 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Jan 27, 2005 11:42 pm | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 8:28 am | |
| Jon Lewis | Jan 28, 2005 9:25 am | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 9:52 am | |
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| Subject: | [c-nsp] Growing BGP tables | Actions... |
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| From: | Joe Maimon (jmai...@ttec.com) | |
| Date: | Jan 28, 2005 8:28:28 am | |
| List: | net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp | |
David J. Hughes wrote:
For the record there were only two people that attached cases to:
That's incredible. I can't believe that so few people would see the benefit in this. I know one of those attachments was mine.
This is something discussed a while back, how to deal with those who insert more specifics, right? This was also mentioned as neccessary to avoid the loophole in Team Cymru bogons, correct? Also mentioned as a way to minimize potential ipv6 table size with geographic/ISP consolidation?
I am sure this should be of interest to many. However, I have no first-hand interest in this at the moment. It is something that interests me because it will mean that the routers I run bgp on in 5 years wont need a Gig of ram just for the tables.
Others may have more specific immediate term goals they wish to make possible.
What about if we just had a per neighbor filter that would filter out more specific prefixes as they come in. Once the more specific is filtered then it's gone until you do a soft clear to get it back.
I think this breaks the semantics that we all rely upon too much. Having a specific prefix disappear from some other bloke's network because I remove a supernet isn't really a nice situation to be in. Particularly as I can't do the soft reset for him.
Now I am going out on a limb here, for I am hardly a BGP expert, but since those who believe they may be viewed as madmen have already posted, the way is now clear for those like me, who surely are.
The problem is more that you do not wish the neighbors to propogate the more specifics. Let them keep them, as not best. You could have a global BGP switch or neighbor switch or route map statement that amounts to
do-not-advertise-more-specifics ? same-as-path same-med ... <cr>
neighbor X.X.X.X remote-as YYYY do-not-advertise-more-specifics ? same-as-path same-med same-something ... <cr>
Perhaps also needed it a statement like this
do-not-accept-more-specifics
agani per neighbor, global or set in a route-map.
When the neighbor's peer drops the least specific, the decision process on the neighbor will run and THAT is when the more specific will get advertised to its peers and show up on almost everybodies tables.
This will allow Sites to do traffic engineering to their hearts content.
True this will do little to solve BGP hijacking problems, but I do not think encouraging people to announce routes as prevention for that sort of thing is desirable.
A local solution to a global problem. Now it is only your peers who carry your more specific routes.
However, going out into theoretical realms here, the main problem is the RIB / FIB consumption right? Would there be a chance that the removed prefixes could be stored in another are of RAM in a compact manner and tagged with the prefix that caused them to be filtered. If the non-filtered prefix is removed then the filtered prefixed could be reinstated. This would allow the current semantics to remain while still giving us some of the benefits we are looking for.
Once again, not knowing anything about the internals of IOS's BGP implementation etc, would something like that be possible or am I barking mad.
David ...
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