142 messages in org.apache.cocoon.devRe: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete?| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Ross Gardler | Oct 2, 2005 1:11 pm | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 2, 2005 1:13 pm | |
| Antonio Gallardo | Oct 2, 2005 1:41 pm | |
| Antonio Gallardo | Oct 2, 2005 2:02 pm | |
| Pier Fumagalli | Oct 2, 2005 3:51 pm | |
| Niclas Hedhman | Oct 2, 2005 10:11 pm | |
| Reinhard Poetz | Oct 2, 2005 10:55 pm | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 3, 2005 2:33 am | |
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| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 4:42 am | |
| Andrew Savory | Oct 3, 2005 4:50 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Oct 3, 2005 4:52 am | |
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| Jorg Heymans | Oct 3, 2005 5:06 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 5:18 am | |
| Luca Morandini | Oct 3, 2005 5:26 am | |
| Andrew Savory | Oct 3, 2005 5:33 am | |
| Jorg Heymans | Oct 3, 2005 6:20 am | |
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| Jorg Heymans | Oct 3, 2005 6:35 am | |
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| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 6:44 am | |
| Berin Loritsch | Oct 3, 2005 7:14 am | |
| Luca Morandini | Oct 3, 2005 7:18 am | |
| Jorg Heymans | Oct 3, 2005 7:29 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 8:02 am | |
| Jorg Heymans | Oct 3, 2005 8:08 am | |
| Steven Noels | Oct 3, 2005 8:19 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Oct 3, 2005 8:31 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 3, 2005 8:36 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 8:41 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 3, 2005 8:44 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 8:53 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Oct 3, 2005 8:57 am | |
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| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 9:00 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 3, 2005 9:04 am | |
| Luca Morandini | Oct 3, 2005 9:11 am | |
| Andrew Savory | Oct 3, 2005 9:20 am | |
| Berin Loritsch | Oct 3, 2005 9:34 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 10:07 am | |
| Ross Gardler | Oct 3, 2005 10:17 am | |
| Luca Morandini | Oct 3, 2005 10:30 am | |
| Nicola Ken Barozzi | Oct 3, 2005 10:44 am | |
| Antonio Gallardo | Oct 3, 2005 12:30 pm | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 3, 2005 1:38 pm | |
| Steven Noels | Oct 4, 2005 1:08 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 4, 2005 2:16 am | |
| Pier Fumagalli | Oct 4, 2005 2:31 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 4, 2005 2:36 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 4, 2005 3:01 am | |
| Andrew Savory | Oct 4, 2005 3:13 am | |
| Upayavira | Oct 4, 2005 3:17 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 4, 2005 3:29 am | |
| Steven Noels | Oct 4, 2005 3:39 am | |
| Torsten Curdt | Oct 4, 2005 3:47 am | |
| hepabolu | Oct 4, 2005 4:00 am | |
| Joerg Heinicke | Oct 4, 2005 4:39 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 4, 2005 4:57 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 4, 2005 5:48 am | |
| Arje Cahn | Oct 4, 2005 5:55 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 4, 2005 9:08 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 4, 2005 9:24 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Oct 4, 2005 12:43 pm | |
| Steven Noels | Oct 5, 2005 3:57 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Oct 10, 2005 5:02 am | |
| Joerg Heinicke | Oct 11, 2005 2:03 pm | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 11, 2005 8:01 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 11, 2005 8:16 pm | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 11, 2005 8:35 pm | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 11, 2005 11:20 pm | |
| Max Pfingsthorn | Oct 12, 2005 12:31 am | |
| Torsten Curdt | Oct 12, 2005 12:32 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Oct 12, 2005 12:58 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 12, 2005 1:34 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Oct 12, 2005 2:21 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 12, 2005 4:52 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 8:58 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 9:01 am | |
| Upayavira | Oct 12, 2005 9:20 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 12, 2005 9:38 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 9:47 am | |
| Niclas Hedhman | Oct 12, 2005 10:04 am | |
| Upayavira | Oct 12, 2005 11:57 am | |
| hepabolu | Oct 12, 2005 12:43 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 2:09 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 2:18 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 12, 2005 2:20 pm | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Oct 12, 2005 2:35 pm | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 12, 2005 2:47 pm | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 13, 2005 2:41 am | |
| Reinhard Poetz | Oct 13, 2005 3:25 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 13, 2005 8:07 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Oct 13, 2005 9:14 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Oct 13, 2005 9:22 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Oct 13, 2005 9:44 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 13, 2005 9:56 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Oct 13, 2005 10:01 am | |
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| Subject: | Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete? | |
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| From: | Daniel Fagerstrom (dani...@nada.kth.se) | |
| Date: | Oct 4, 2005 2:16:32 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cocoon.dev | |
Steven Noels wrote: ...
The same kind of wonder I had when this thread started - as in "oh no, this is sooo easy and self-centered!".
Yes self-centered and irresponsible.
--- o0o ---
Stefano,
We are a large number of people who got inspired of your visions and have spent years on develop and implement them. Some have even built companies around Cocoon. Now everyone who want to start using Cocoon in a project, sell products based on it or services have to fight:
"The founder of Cocoon find it obsolete."
You really don't help us.
--- o0o ---
And, we are reinventing our selves. It takes much more time and effort than I would wish, but what cool stuff don't.
And we have stopped waisting time and energy in the "my way or no way" ego battles that stopped so much development initiatives before. Now we are geting things done and are heading towards our goals in an incremental and evolutionary way.
Certainly there are lot of thing we must improve: focus, release habits, documentation, modularity. But that is not going to happen by defatism of by self pity. It is going to happen by dedication and work.
We are a strong community with a great product that is going to be even greater, we can make it.
/Daniel