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87 messages in net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp[c-nsp] Growing BGP tables| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Vincent De Keyzer | Nov 19, 2004 6:46 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 19, 2004 9:01 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 21, 2004 5:15 pm | |
| Ryan O'Connell | Nov 21, 2004 5:43 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 21, 2004 9:16 pm | |
| Jon Lewis | Nov 21, 2004 9:49 pm | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 2:55 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 4:11 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 22, 2004 4:52 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 5:47 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 6:45 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 7:36 am | |
| Rainer Borromeo | Nov 22, 2004 8:39 am | |
| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 10:19 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 11:07 am | |
| Łukasz Bromirski | Nov 22, 2004 11:15 am | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 12:04 pm | |
| Gunther Stammwitz | Nov 22, 2004 1:51 pm | |
| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 2:03 pm | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 22, 2004 2:15 pm | |
| Gunther Stammwitz | Nov 22, 2004 2:19 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 2:44 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 4:48 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:53 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:59 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:17 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:21 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:31 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:34 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 5:38 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 8:17 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 8:31 pm | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 2:44 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 5:24 am | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 5:29 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:38 am | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 5:39 am | |
| Martin Robinson | Nov 23, 2004 5:50 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 5:51 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 6:42 am | |
| Ben Crocker | Nov 23, 2004 6:54 am | |
| ege iyioglu | Nov 23, 2004 9:28 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 10:17 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 10:39 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 11:12 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 11:38 am | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 23, 2004 12:11 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 12:33 pm | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 3:01 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 4:42 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 7:33 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 23, 2004 7:37 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 8:30 pm | |
| Mihai CHELARU | Nov 24, 2004 5:07 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 24, 2004 7:27 am | |
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| David J. Hughes | Nov 24, 2004 6:28 pm | |
| Krzysztof Adamski | Nov 24, 2004 10:33 pm | |
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| Bill Wichers | Nov 25, 2004 12:56 am | |
| Krzysztof Adamski | Nov 25, 2004 9:44 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 26, 2004 9:21 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 26, 2004 10:03 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 26, 2004 11:09 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 26, 2004 11:20 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 27, 2004 6:53 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 6:40 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 30, 2004 7:26 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 10:30 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 12:30 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 12:57 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 8:59 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Dec 1, 2004 9:18 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 11:18 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 8:40 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 8:51 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:41 am | |
| Gert Doering | Jan 27, 2005 11:45 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:48 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Jan 27, 2005 11:42 pm | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 8:28 am | |
| Jon Lewis | Jan 28, 2005 9:25 am | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 9:52 am | |
| Jon Lewis | Jan 28, 2005 10:25 am |

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| Subject: | [c-nsp] Growing BGP tables | Actions... |
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| From: | Joe Maimon (jmai...@ttec.com) | |
| Date: | Jan 28, 2005 9:52:41 am | |
| List: | net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp | |
Jon Lewis wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Joe Maimon wrote:
That's incredible. I can't believe that so few people would see the benefit in this. I know one of those attachments was mine.
This is something discussed a while back, how to deal with those who insert more specifics, right? This was also mentioned as neccessary to avoid the loophole in Team Cymru bogons, correct?
I think these are two similar but very separate issues being talked about together, when maybe they shouldn't.
In the bogons case, I'd love to be able to take a bogon feed from a trusted source (i.e. team cymru) and have those routes put in the table as "special poison routes". I don't ever want another peer to be able to advertise any of those routes or more specifics, and if they do, I want to ignore those routes. The same logic could be applied to abusive networks you don't want to exchange traffic with.
This is just a less special-case then the below, its the same concept. Here you wish to ignore ALL more specifics, below you wish to ignore more specifics that have either same next-hop, same as-path or whatnot. But still, when Team Cymru withdraws the bogon, you want the decision process to kick in for any routes you had received that were previously more specific.
Really you wish to tag what other routes will match the ones you receive based upon the peer you learned them from. Any routes learned from bogon servers would be tagged as matching any route thats more specific.
The more general issue of ignoring more specifics for those who announce CIDRs and subnets of them for no obvious (or operational to me) reason is far more complicated as ideally you'd like the previously ignored more specifics to magically resurface if the aggregate route disappears.
1) The decision process should select them as best routes, nothing magical about that. 2) at that point, and not previously, is when they will be advertised to peers.
If we treat these as separate issues/features, would it be that hard to have a route-map match statement in the very near future that could check incoming routes against a certain set of routes (perhaps by the next hop IP of the already installed routes) and reject them based on that?
i.e. Assume I have a feed of bogon routes and have their next-hop IP set to 192.0.2.1.
route-map blah-input deny 10 match existing-next-hop 192.0.2.1 route-map blah-input permit 20 ....
That doesn't seem like it'd be rocket science to implement...but then I've never seen cisco's BGP code.
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