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| Rodent of Unusual Size | 04 Nov 2002 11:08 | |
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| Subject: | Re: Rules for Revolutionaries |
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| From: | Rodent of Unusual Size (Ken....@Golux.Com) |
| Date: | 11/08/2002 05:48:52 PM |
| List: | org.apache.community |
Costin Manolache wrote:
well, no -- that's not overriding the veto, because the changes aren't getting checked into the branch where they were vetoed. vetos are mostly (possibly completely, need to think about that) per-branch, not per-codebase.
True.
But the point is that the revolution makes it impossible to veto a certain feature or architecture or piece of code from becoming part of the product and release.
no, not if the revolutionary code is never accepted back into the main branch. if it isn't merged back in, it *isn't* part of the product and release; it remains a branch, or maybe gets forked into a completely separate product.
vetoed never makes it into a release. at least it had better not. it might end up in a branch or fork where it hasn't been vetoed, but that would be a different product with its own release.
And it removes the potential for abuse of the veto.
well, lessens it.
If we accept the idea that the majority of committers control the release process and name - including the codebase that is going to be released - that will imply that nobody can block the majority by using vetoes.
no again. vetoed code never makes it into a release. what you are describing is a pathological situation. solutions to it include the majority 'routing around' by forking a revolutionary branch and taking the name with it, and executive decision by some authority (for which there are currently no guidelines).
( or control the direction of the project by vetoing everything but his own view ).
again, pathological. if things get to this point, the pmc/chair should take corrective/punitive action. commit access is a privilege, not a right; such behaviour as you describe is an abuse of that privilege.